Fragment of a discussion from Talk:Translation Workflow Can these meaningless changes be reverted? They do anything but harm and useless noise, imho. This kind of formatting is inconsistent with the rest of the wiki and is very hard to be changed according to my language rules for this kind of texts. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYurchor 16:15, 6 April 2011 I will attempt to track down all similar edits today and revert them. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toannew 10:14, 7 April 2011 An introduction to KDE/uk still shows my layout. What is wrong with it? Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYecril71pl 15:37, 7 April 2011 Yes it is. After 5 or more tries to do this. It is hard to change this beautiful layout. Can you stop changing the layouts as you like? Thanks. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYurchor 16:48, 7 April 2011 Do you mean that you got it right at the 5th attempt? Do you find this layout hard to change or do you find it hard to convert existing text? But how would you like it to look? Would you like to change the look or the wikitext notation? I am sorry if these questions seem silly—I am just trying hard to understand what you mean. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYecril71pl 16:55, 7 April 2011 Yes, I mean exactly that. This layout is hard to change in translations Exactly as it was look before using ";" for formatting No, I want to stop inconsistent use of rules that constantly re-written during changing things here and there (because the history showed that as the result we have something that is neither "this" nor "that" (see Parley Manual). You may found these answers silly. Sorry, I am just trying hard to explain my thoughts about "those better formatting". Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYurchor 18:34, 7 April 2011 But an itemization is semantically better than a list (because it reflects the author’s intention better), and we cannot convert all similar lists to itemizations in one step, can we? Note that the default style sheet can be changed to make itemizations look exactly like they looked before, if that is what you are after. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYecril71pl 10:02, 8 April 2011 OK. But I'd rather say do it by yourself and do not do what "author intended to do or say". I also do not understand the changes that make things look "exactly like they looked before". Moreover, please avoid this formatting in documentation (it is not clear for me how this can be transformed into docbook). Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYurchor 10:08, 8 April 2011 Yurchor, are you saying that we should avoid using ";" for formatting all together or are you simply saying don't change formatting unless it is actually broken? If the first is the case we need to add something about that on the Toolbox page. We do have a few pages, that use ";" formatting. Should we change those as we find them? Parent MoreHistory View source Link toClaus chr 08:42, 8 April 2011 ";" is good for anything but docs, imho. But I cannot understand when things that are not broken in any kind are changed just because someone likes something to be constantly changed. There are many not-so-popular pages (even without translations) to experiment with them. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYurchor 10:12, 8 April 2011 The syntax item - description is both visually and formally broken. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that there is some anonymous character fuming and charging at each em-dash inserted into the text. And it should be easier, not harder, to transform itemizations to DocBook, because they have more internal structure. I was not experimenting, the format for marking up itemizations is well known. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYecril71pl 14:22, 8 April 2011 Can you give some IRS on the following statements? "The syntax item - description is both visually and formally broken." "it should be easier, not harder, to transform itemizations to DocBook, because they have more internal structure." (please add an example of Python code to transform "; - :" tuple) It would be also good if you promise to chack every page for using "the format for marking up itemizations". Thanks in advance. Parent MoreHistory View source Link toYurchor 18:36, 8 April 2011 It is visually broken because the hyphen should be used to join words, not to separate clauses. It is formally broken because it fixes a rendering of the formal structure instead of entering the structure itself. To transform a definition in the wiki, render the text to XHTML as if for the client and then use an XML transformation to convert it to DocBook. The transformation will deal with dt and dd, not with ; and :. Assuming that you do not expect me to write the whole thing from scratch, just show me what you already have and I shall add the missing part. 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