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Hello Claus chr,

I started a few days ago an update to the wikis and you can try it at wikisandbox.kde.org. More details are available at https://phabricator.kde.org/T11179. Could you take a look and provide feedback?



08:20, 7 July 2019
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Hi Carl

I really like the new look - nice and crisp.

We shall need to go through our templates and see which needs updating - I noticed, that the PrevNext2 template that produces a triple of links to the previous, then next and the index page in the Amarok manual (among others) now creates a list of these three links. See fx this page at the bottom.

I also notices a small glitch in the translation tool. On a page of translatable messages, sometimes the Edit link does not appear flush right and the text of the link is trunkated. See fx this page EDIT: The link doesn't work. To see the example, change language to danish, go to LanguageStats and click Akregator in the list.

Apart from the visual update, are you also updating the wiki software? Our installation is quite outdated by now.

I could not log in to the sandbox wiki using my usual login name, so I created a new one, Claus.

Thanks for all your work. Let me know it there is anything I can do.

Cheers, Claus

09:13, 7 July 2019

Thanks for the feedback, I will go and fix over all the issues and try to fix them. I'm also updating to the latest LTS Wikipedia version 1.31. I also made your account administrator. Cheers, Carl

11:50, 7 July 2019

Hi Carl

Could you give me edit rights, please, so that I can experiment a bit and make my observations more precise.

A couple more observations:

Sections starting with a colon (:) are no longer indented (see fx the list under the heading Relevance)

Spacing between bulleted items and images has changed. Previoulsy, the image was immediately below the previous item without extra spacing, and there was a big space between the image and the next item (too big imho). This behaviour has reversed: now the image is adjoined to the following item without spacing, and there is spacing between the image and the previous item. This is actually worse, because when the last line of the previous item is short the space appears way too big. See the license badges in the section First Things First.

Some of our info boxes have lost their colored background. This is the case for the Attention and Warning Templates as well as the Construction template (the latter may be caused by the former).

Section titles have become smaller and stand out less.

The phabricator task you linked to seems to be the wrong one - it has to do with the docs.kde.org page.

Happy tweaking,


10:00, 7 July 2019

Hi Carl

I just noticed, that the <menuchoice> markup has disappeared (examples in the bottom section of Tasks and Tools). This is most likely also affecting similar markup like <keycap>.



10:13, 7 July 2019

I am excited to hear that we are getting an update of the wiki software. We have some long standing problems that we have not been able to do anything about because of our dated installation.

I came across another formatting glitch just now: In tables with a column of heading cells, the horizontal line between cells is missing (see the Jargon File for an example). Also background of heading cells is no longer shaded (I guess this is less of a problem).

10:06, 8 July 2019

Thanks, do you know if there is some document/page listing all the issues? I can confirm that this solves some issues I encountered (new image are not displayed because the old one is still cached and Stats didn't work), but if you know of others technical issues, that I didn't know about, I'm interested ;).

I also fixed the tables glitch ;)

11:56, 8 July 2019

Nice work about the Stats - that was one of the issues on my list.

At some point the specialised searching templates (see User:Claus chr/Search and User:Claus chr/DPL) stopped working - they have been tweeked to work again, but the DPL extension that we use is very old and has been superseeded by DynamicPageLoad 3 (which requires a newer version of the wiki software).

The WhatLinksHere tool in the right margin does not work reliably.

Perhaps my biggest issue is with the translate extension. Sometimes pages that needs updating fails to show in the Special:LanguageStats page. There are other glitches in the translate system, but hopefully they will all be resolved when that extension is updated.



09:27, 9 July 2019

More formattin issues: With narrow images displayed flush left regular text used to appear to the right of the image. In the sandbox the same text apper below the image. With high and narrow images the result is not good, imho. Examples are here: Plasma fx under Widgets.

Also image captions are not well separated from the text following the image. There used to be a light frame around image and caption.

11:48, 8 July 2019

Hi Carl

\o/ The new theme is live! Great work.

There is somethings strange going on with the translation pages: When I go to Special:LanguageStats and middle-click on a page with untranslated units to open it in a new tab, the new page shows no translation units. I have to reload the page in order to see the units. The problem does not ocur, when I just click the link to open the page in the original tab.

The same problem occurs when all the units of a page have been translated: We used to have a couple of links at the top of translation pages where one could choose to see all translatable units or only the ones that need work. These links are missing now.



10:35, 13 July 2019

Hi Claus,

I fixed the first problem. This was caused by a missing JQuery plugin: https://github.com/cowboy/jquery-throttle-debounce/ 10 year old but still working ;)

I don't understand the second problem, I can see the links in my browser. Maybe this was fixed by fixing another bug or you mean other links.



11:40, 13 July 2019

Hi Carl

The problem still exists, but I was wrong in saying that it happens in certain cases; it seems to occur randomly. Sometimes, when I go to a translation page it will look like this:


While the page look like this I can't get to any translation unit whether it has been translated already or not. I have to reload the page to get this:


In and of itself this is not a big problem, but until you hit on the idea to reload the page it may make translators think that the translation system is broken.

The good thing is that a long standing problem with the translate system seems to have been solved. Pages that had been modified did not show up as modified in the translate system, but they do now!



09:43, 14 July 2019

I'm quite busy lately, sadly my finals are coming, but after the 25 July, I should get more times to fix it and update the other wikis.

13:46, 14 July 2019

Most of the problems mentioned in this thread have been solved! \o/

I have created a page for problems that we should look into.

10:45, 23 July 2019


I couldn't reproduce the bug with the registration. I created a new identity account and the registration to the wiki worked. Did you do something special during the registration?

For the translation bugs, I think this is a problem in the job queue. I think we are using the default settings, but MediaWiki has some recommendation (creating a cron job). I will discuss this with Ben.

08:18, 24 July 2019

The login problem is something I found on an old dodo list, it may have been solved a long time ago - I included it just in case. I'll remove it from the list. The e-mail settings problem also seems to be ancient history.

06:19, 25 July 2019

Yeah I'm now in vacation, so I started looking at the issues. Some are already solved.

The login problem is probably not solved (I didn't modify the phabricator extension), but the phabricator login will need to be replaced by a gitlab login anyway.

The list numbering problem is very strange, I have the same problem with Firefox but not with Chromium.

Is the Special:WhatLinksHere problem still here?

About the language in the search, it should be possible to filter with: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SpecialSearchResults but it will be difficult to get the user language and not having false positive.

12:37, 25 July 2019

The Special:WhatLinksHere problem still persists. It has been around for a very long time - possibly for as long as the translation system.

10:24, 26 July 2019

I think it's fixed now (I tested it 20 times and I didn't get this bug again). Let me know if the problem still appear.

Otherwise, I will publish my patch upstream ;)

20:32, 26 August 2019

\o/ Thanks a lot. I shall test it the next couple of days. I'll let you know if I encounter the problem again.

04:43, 27 August 2019