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    *'''Не питайте дали може да питате- просто директно задайте въпросите си''': каналът irc.freenode.net #kde е канал за поддръжка, така че директно очакваме вашите въпроси [[Image:Face-smile.png]].
    *'''Не питайте дали може да питате- просто директно задайте въпросите си''': каналът irc.freenode.net #kde е канал за поддръжка, така че директно очакваме вашите въпроси [[Image:Face-smile.png]].


    *'''Подгответе основните данни на системата си, предварително''': Коя дистрибуция ползвате (версия?), коя версия на KDE използвате, как сте я инсталирали и т.н. Вероятно няма да има нужда да споделяте тази информация в самото начало, но не е лошо да сте я подготвили, ако някой попита.
    * '''Be ready with as much relevant details about your system as you can find''': Questions you are likely to be asked are:
    ** What distribution do you use (and what version?) e.g. Kubuntu 18.04
    ** what version of Plasma you are running &mdash; if you don't know, open '''Konsole''' and type <code>plasmashell --version</code> and look at the version number given there
    ** how you installed it &mdash; mostly likely from your distribution repositories.  


    * '''Try to do some troubleshooting yourself before asking''': Google is your friend (entering error messages into Google often finds something useful). You should take a look at [[Special:myLanguage/Troubleshooting|Troubleshooting KDE Problems]] - the advice there is probably what you&#039;ll be told in #kde anyway, so try it first [[Image:Face-smile.png]].
    You probably won't need to give all of this information straight away, but if you know how to find it quickly it often helps


    * '''Also, try to make sure that the problem you&#039;re having is a problem with KDE''' and not some other component of your system (for example, a problem with X or with alsa). If possible, try an alternative, non-KDE application to see whether the problem also occurs there. Of course, if you&#039;re not sure, please ask.
    *'''Опитайте се да се справите с проблема сами, преди да попитате''': Google е ваш приятел (често, когато въведете грешката, която ви е излязла, можете да намерите доста полезна информация). Погледнете [[Special:myLanguage/Troubleshooting|Troubleshooting KDE Problems]]- най- вероятно, съветите, които ще получите на тази страница, ще получите и в чата, така че ги прочетете предварително [[Image:Face-smile.png]].


    * '''Make sure that you have Read The Fine Manual and the [[Special:myLanguage/Troubleshooting|Troubleshooting]] pages'''. Although not every question is answered there, many are. If that doesn't produce a result, try asking it on [http://forum.kde.org/ the forum]. If the discussion brings up interesting information you might add it to UserBase, so that it can help others.
    * '''Also, try to make sure that the problem you're having is a problem with KDE software''' and not some other component of your system (for example, a problem with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System X] or with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture ALSA]). If possible, try an alternative, non-KDE application to see whether the problem also occurs there.  Of course, if you're not sure, please ask.


    * '''Be prepared to wait!''' Often on IRC, someone will notice your question a little while after you ask it, so wait around for a while after you ask. There&#039;s nothing more annoying than typing out a long answer for someone, only to realise that they left 3 minutes after asking their question!
    * '''Use [http://forum.kde.org/ the Forum]'''. Try asking a question on [http://forum.kde.org/ the forum]. If the discussion brings up interesting information you might add it to UserBase, so that it can help others.


    * '''If you don&#039;t get an answer on #kde, you can also try the channel for your distribution''' (eg, #suse, #kde-freebsd, etc), or an appropriate mailing list: see [http://lists.kde.org lists.kde.org] or forum.
    * '''Be prepared to wait!''' Often on IRC, someone will notice your question a little while after you ask it, so wait around for a while after you ask. There's nothing more annoying than typing out a long answer for someone, only to realise that they left 3 minutes after asking their question!  In some cases there could be hours between your question being asked and someone who knows the answer coming on-line (remember that KDE users are all over the world) so sometimes you just have to ask again at a different time of day.


    * '''Above all, be patient and polite.''' Remember that the people who help are all volunteers, and could be spending their time doing other things than helping.
    *'''Ако не получите отгвор на #kde, пробвайте да зададете въпросите си и в каналите на вашите дистрибуции''' (#suse, #kde-freebsd, и т.н.) или чрез подходящ мейлинг лист (виж [http://lists.kde.org lists.kde.org]) или форум.


    If your problem is with sound in KDE, you might want to first read [[Special:myLanguage/Sound_Problems|Sound_Problems]].
    *'''Преди всичко- бъдете търпеливи и учтиви.''' Запомнете, че хората, които ви помагат са доброволци и може да имат и друга работа.


    If your question relates to development, please see [http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute this page]
    If your problem is with sound, you might want to first read [[Special:myLanguage/Sound_Problems|Sound Problems]].


    ==Operating-System-Specific Questions==
    If your question relates to development, please see [http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute KDE TechBase's contribute page]


    For questions relating to the desktop use of KDE with a particular OS, you can try the above methods, but unless the question directly involves KDE or KDE/GNU/Linux you are unlikely to find the answer. ''If your question does not directly involve KDE, please do not post the question on the "normal" KDE mailing lists''. Examples of questions that do not directly involve KDE: ''my sound card does not work''. In that case, please direct your questions at sites devoted to helping users of that system. For example, for GNU/Linux questions you may try looking at [http://www.linuxnewbie.org www.linuxnewbie.org] or [http://www.linuxnewbie.com www.linuxnewbie.com], or the [http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-linux kde-linux] mailing list mentioned above.
    Because KDE is so actively developed, changes arrive very frequently, so don't be surprised if you can't find any written information.  Ask in IRC, the Forum or a mailing list, and when you have an answer, register an account on UserBase and add the information to the relevant page. At the same time as learning about your system you will be helping others do the same {{smiley}}


    If you are not using GNU/Linux, you might want to try the [http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux kde-nonlinux] [mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe (subscribe)] mailing list. Also particularly useful are searches on your favorite search engine, such as [http://www.google.com/ Google], and searches on the [http://groups.google.com/ Usenet archives].
    == The Forums ==


    In addition, many OS distributors have their own mailing lists which can address distribution-specific issues. You can find out more about these mailing lists at your distribution's website.
    Another great place to get help is the [http://forum.kde.org/ KDE Community Forums]. It is always a good idea to search the forums first. Maybe your question has already been answered. If not, find an appropriate forum and start a thread. Don't expect an immediate answer, but remember to come back regularly to participate in the discussion as it gets going. Remember that the forums are run by users like yourself.  


    If you are searching for packages you may consider checking the ftp servers for your distribution, including the "contrib" sections, as well as indexing servers such as rpmfind.net.  
    The KDE Community forums offer a "guided post" feature that can help you post your question in the appropriate forum, increasing the chance of having it seen by people knowledgeable on the matter. It is accessible as a large "New Post" button on the forums' homepage, so if you have any doubts, that is the place to start.


    ==Reporting KDE Bugs==
    The forums have an extensive search feature: prior to posting try finding if your question has already been answered, or there are hints that might help you solve your issue. If there is no satisfactory solution for your problem, make a new post. To search, enter keywords in the upper right box of any forum page. By default this will search the whole forums. For extended searches, click on the "Search" link under the "KDE Community Forums" banner.


    Reporting bugs is a small but valuable contribution to KDE, and there's a website where you can report any bug or feature request you have about KDE: [http://bugs.kde.org/ bugs.kde.org]. The only requirement on your side is basic knowledge of English. With that, and following some additional guidelines, you'll be able to report helpful bug reports and thus help the whole KDE community and yourself.
    If your question has been properly answered, consider marking a topic as "solved". It is a very little step, but quite helpful for other users and staff, because it tells them that there are no more issues. To mark a topic as solved, choose the topic with the best answer in the thread, and click the green tick mark under it. If you go back to the topic list you will notice a green tick mark next to the topic's title as well.  


    The first thing you need is to open an account in the website. You can start [https://bugs.kde.org/createaccount.cgi here]. Once you have a validated account, you can report.


    There are usually two different situations to report a bug:
    Most distributions have forums of their own; these can also be valuable. The web pages of your distribution should provide links to its forums.


    * You notice something which is not working properly or not working at all, a bad design, a missed functionality... If this is your case, open the application <menuchoice>Help -> Report Bug...</menuchoice> menu. You will then be guided to [http://bugs.kde.org bugs.kde.org]. Some information will be automatically picked up, like the application version number.
    ==Специфични въпроси, свързани с операционната система==


    * Your program disappears and another window appears named "The KDE crash Handler". Don't get scared! You will be guided to efficiently report this crash. The link in the dialog "Learn more about bug reporting" will explain you the process. If you choose to report the problem, click on <menuchoice>Report Bug</menuchoice> and an assistant will guide you through the steps. The requisite to report a crash is to have your distribution debug packages installed in order to provide a valid backtrace.
    For questions relating to the desktop use of Plasma with a particular operating system (OS), you can try the above methods, but unless the question directly involves KDE software or KDE/GNU/Linux you are unlikely to find the answer. ''If your question does not directly involve KDE, please do not post the question on the "normal" KDE mailing lists''. An example of questions that do not directly involve KDE is "''my sound card does not work''". In that case, please direct your questions at sites devoted to helping users of that system. For example, for GNU/Linux questions you may try looking at [http://www.linuxnewbie.org www.linuxnewbie.org] or [http://www.linuxnewbie.com www.linuxnewbie.com], or the [http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-linux kde-linux] mailing list mentioned above.


    And these are a few tips on how to write good bug reports:
    Ако не използвате GNU/Linux, може да проверите [http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux kde-nonlinux] [mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe (записване)]. Можете да използвате и любимите си търсачки: [http://www.google.com/ Google] и [http://groups.google.com/ Usenet archives].


    * Write it in English. You can switch every KDE application language through <menuchoice>Help -> Switch Application Language...</menuchoice>, so go there and choose American English as the primary language. Then restart the application. That can help you in explaining what happens.
    In addition, many OS distributors have their own mailing lists which can address distribution-specific issues. You can find out more about these mailing lists at your distribution's website or find them through your browser search engine.


    * Be specific. One bug per report only! Do not mix different problems in the same report.
    If you are searching for packages you may consider checking the ftp servers for your distribution, including the "contrib" sections, as well as indexing servers such as rpmfind.net. Wherever possible, install the package that your distro offers directly through its package manager.
    <span id="Reporting KDE Bugs"></span>
    ==Докладване на проблеми в KDE==


    * Be clear. Explain the steps that lead to the bug so that we can reproduce them easily.
    Докладването на проблеми в KDE е ценно. Затова има сайт, на който можете да съобщите за срещнати грешки и да предложите идеи за софтуер: [http://bugs.kde.org/ bugs.kde.org]. Единственото изискване е да имате познания в областта на Англиския език. Следвайки някои допълнителни препоръки, вие можете да бъдете полезни на цялото KDE общество и на себе си!


    * Include screenshots: a picture is worth many words so attach a screenshot to the bug report. You can use [[Special:mylanguage/KSnapshot|KSnapshot]] to take screenshots. Also, do not link to an external web link which can expire, use the Attachments link at the bottom of the bug report.
    Първо, ще трябва да създадете свой профил в сайта. Можете да започнете на [https://bugs.kde.org/createaccount.cgi]. Щом профилът ви бъде одобрен, можете да започнете да докладвате.


    * Include the backtrace within the bug report as a comment, it makes it easier to find duplicates for us (do not attach the backtrace as a text file).
    Принципно, има две ситуации за докладване:


    * Clearly separate facts from speculation: only describe what happens. For a design problem, include a mock-up if possible.
    * Ако забележите, че нещо не работи както трябва, не работи изобщо, не смятате, че дизайнът е удобен, пропусната е дадена функционалност... Ако това е вашият случай- отворете приложението и изберете <menuchoice>Report Bug...</menuchoice>. Ще бъдете пренасочени към [http://bugs.kde.org bugs.kde.org]. Информация, като версията на приложенията, ще бъде прихваната автоматично.


    If you are testing trunk or the beta, if you kept your precedent settings, sometimes you will want to check with a new user or by setting a new $KDEHOME (and restarting your user). Do not delete your $KDEHOME as you will maybe need the current files to compare with the new ones and also you would lose your settings!
    * Ако програмата ви изчезне, а на нейно място се появи прозорец, наречен "The KDE crash Handler". Не се плашете! Ще бъдете упътени, за да докладвате за този проблем. Линкът "Learn more about bug reporting" в диалоговия прозорец, ще ви обясни как. Ако изберете да докладвате за проблема, изберете <menuchoice>Report Bug</menuchoice>. Асистентът ще ви преведе през процедурите. За да, можете да докладвате бъгове, трябва да имате инсталирани дебъгинг пакетите.


    Also notice that [http://forums.kde.org Forums] have a [http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=201 section about Beta Releases].
    Ето и няколко съвета, как да пишете добри доклади за грешки:
     
    *Пишете на Английски. Можете да смените езика на всяко KDE приложение през <menuchoice>Help</menuchoice> -> <menuchoice>Switch Application Language...</menuchoice>, така че изберете Американски Английски, като основен език. Рестартирайте приложението след промяната.
     
    * Уточнявайте се. Докладвайте само по един проблем на статия! Не смесвайте различни проблеми в една статия.
     
    * Изказвайте се ясно. Опишете стъпка по стъпка, как сте стигнали до проблема, за да ви разберем.
     
    * Включете снимки на екрана си, които да показват проблема! Можете да използвате [[Special:mylanguage/KSnapshot|KSnapshot]]. Също така, не качвайте снимките на външни сървъри, които може да бъдат спряни. Бутонът за прикачване е в края на доклада за проблеми.
     
    * Включете и описанието на проблема- това ни улеснява. Не качвайте описанието като текстов файл.
     
    * Разделяйте фактите от вашите предпочитания- описвайте какво се е случило. За проблем с дизайна, качете свое предложение.
     
    If you are testing trunk or the beta, if you kept your precedent settings, sometimes you will want to check with a new user.
     
    Също така, обърнете внимание, че [http://forums.kde.org форумите] имат [http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=201 секции за Beta версии].
     
    A good guide to bug reporting can be found [http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2011/10/when-is-a-bug-report-useful/ here].


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    '''How to open a console'''
    '''Как да отворим конзолата'''


    Typically when reporting a problem in IRC or on a mailing list, your helpers will ask you to open a console. A console is a text-based window that you can use to give commands for your computer to execute. You can open a console by typing ALT_F2. An input box opens. Type the following to open a console:
    Обикновено, когато докладвате проблем в IRC или чрез мейлинг лист, тези, които ви помагат, ще искат от вас да отворите конзола. Конзолата е прозорец, в който, чрез текстови команди можете да управлявате компютъра си. Можете да отворите конзолата, като използвате ALT_F2. Ще се отвори прозорец за писане. Напишете следното, за да отворите конзолата:
    {{input|1=konsole}}
    {{input|1=konsole}}


    If this does not work, you may not have it installed. In this case, type ALT_F2 and input:
    Ако не работи, може да не сте я инсталирали. В този случай, използвайте ALT_F2 и въведете:
    {{input|1=xterm}}
    {{input|1=xterm}}




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    Използване на IRC, за да получите помощ

    Ето няколко съвета при задаване на въпроси, особено в #kde, в Freenode. Тези съвети ще ви покажат как трябва да се изразявате, за да получавате отговори:

    • Не питайте дали може да питате- просто директно задайте въпросите си: каналът irc.freenode.net #kde е канал за поддръжка, така че директно очакваме вашите въпроси .
    • Be ready with as much relevant details about your system as you can find: Questions you are likely to be asked are:
      • What distribution do you use (and what version?) e.g. Kubuntu 18.04
      • what version of Plasma you are running — if you don't know, open Konsole and type plasmashell --version and look at the version number given there
      • how you installed it — mostly likely from your distribution repositories.

    You probably won't need to give all of this information straight away, but if you know how to find it quickly it often helps

    • Опитайте се да се справите с проблема сами, преди да попитате: Google е ваш приятел (често, когато въведете грешката, която ви е излязла, можете да намерите доста полезна информация). Погледнете Troubleshooting KDE Problems- най- вероятно, съветите, които ще получите на тази страница, ще получите и в чата, така че ги прочетете предварително .
    • Also, try to make sure that the problem you're having is a problem with KDE software and not some other component of your system (for example, a problem with X or with ALSA). If possible, try an alternative, non-KDE application to see whether the problem also occurs there. Of course, if you're not sure, please ask.
    • Use the Forum. Try asking a question on the forum. If the discussion brings up interesting information you might add it to UserBase, so that it can help others.
    • Be prepared to wait! Often on IRC, someone will notice your question a little while after you ask it, so wait around for a while after you ask. There's nothing more annoying than typing out a long answer for someone, only to realise that they left 3 minutes after asking their question! In some cases there could be hours between your question being asked and someone who knows the answer coming on-line (remember that KDE users are all over the world) so sometimes you just have to ask again at a different time of day.
    • Ако не получите отгвор на #kde, пробвайте да зададете въпросите си и в каналите на вашите дистрибуции (#suse, #kde-freebsd, и т.н.) или чрез подходящ мейлинг лист (виж lists.kde.org) или форум.
    • Преди всичко- бъдете търпеливи и учтиви. Запомнете, че хората, които ви помагат са доброволци и може да имат и друга работа.

    If your problem is with sound, you might want to first read Sound Problems.

    If your question relates to development, please see KDE TechBase's contribute page

    Because KDE is so actively developed, changes arrive very frequently, so don't be surprised if you can't find any written information. Ask in IRC, the Forum or a mailing list, and when you have an answer, register an account on UserBase and add the information to the relevant page. At the same time as learning about your system you will be helping others do the same

    The Forums

    Another great place to get help is the KDE Community Forums. It is always a good idea to search the forums first. Maybe your question has already been answered. If not, find an appropriate forum and start a thread. Don't expect an immediate answer, but remember to come back regularly to participate in the discussion as it gets going. Remember that the forums are run by users like yourself.

    The KDE Community forums offer a "guided post" feature that can help you post your question in the appropriate forum, increasing the chance of having it seen by people knowledgeable on the matter. It is accessible as a large "New Post" button on the forums' homepage, so if you have any doubts, that is the place to start.

    The forums have an extensive search feature: prior to posting try finding if your question has already been answered, or there are hints that might help you solve your issue. If there is no satisfactory solution for your problem, make a new post. To search, enter keywords in the upper right box of any forum page. By default this will search the whole forums. For extended searches, click on the "Search" link under the "KDE Community Forums" banner.

    If your question has been properly answered, consider marking a topic as "solved". It is a very little step, but quite helpful for other users and staff, because it tells them that there are no more issues. To mark a topic as solved, choose the topic with the best answer in the thread, and click the green tick mark under it. If you go back to the topic list you will notice a green tick mark next to the topic's title as well.


    Most distributions have forums of their own; these can also be valuable. The web pages of your distribution should provide links to its forums.

    Специфични въпроси, свързани с операционната система

    For questions relating to the desktop use of Plasma with a particular operating system (OS), you can try the above methods, but unless the question directly involves KDE software or KDE/GNU/Linux you are unlikely to find the answer. If your question does not directly involve KDE, please do not post the question on the "normal" KDE mailing lists. An example of questions that do not directly involve KDE is "my sound card does not work". In that case, please direct your questions at sites devoted to helping users of that system. For example, for GNU/Linux questions you may try looking at www.linuxnewbie.org or www.linuxnewbie.com, or the kde-linux mailing list mentioned above.

    Ако не използвате GNU/Linux, може да проверите kde-nonlinux (записване). Можете да използвате и любимите си търсачки: Google и Usenet archives.

    In addition, many OS distributors have their own mailing lists which can address distribution-specific issues. You can find out more about these mailing lists at your distribution's website or find them through your browser search engine.

    If you are searching for packages you may consider checking the ftp servers for your distribution, including the "contrib" sections, as well as indexing servers such as rpmfind.net. Wherever possible, install the package that your distro offers directly through its package manager.

    Докладване на проблеми в KDE

    Докладването на проблеми в KDE е ценно. Затова има сайт, на който можете да съобщите за срещнати грешки и да предложите идеи за софтуер: bugs.kde.org. Единственото изискване е да имате познания в областта на Англиския език. Следвайки някои допълнителни препоръки, вие можете да бъдете полезни на цялото KDE общество и на себе си!

    Първо, ще трябва да създадете свой профил в сайта. Можете да започнете на [1]. Щом профилът ви бъде одобрен, можете да започнете да докладвате.

    Принципно, има две ситуации за докладване:

    • Ако забележите, че нещо не работи както трябва, не работи изобщо, не смятате, че дизайнът е удобен, пропусната е дадена функционалност... Ако това е вашият случай- отворете приложението и изберете Report Bug.... Ще бъдете пренасочени към bugs.kde.org. Информация, като версията на приложенията, ще бъде прихваната автоматично.
    • Ако програмата ви изчезне, а на нейно място се появи прозорец, наречен "The KDE crash Handler". Не се плашете! Ще бъдете упътени, за да докладвате за този проблем. Линкът "Learn more about bug reporting" в диалоговия прозорец, ще ви обясни как. Ако изберете да докладвате за проблема, изберете Report Bug. Асистентът ще ви преведе през процедурите. За да, можете да докладвате бъгове, трябва да имате инсталирани дебъгинг пакетите.

    Ето и няколко съвета, как да пишете добри доклади за грешки:

    • Пишете на Английски. Можете да смените езика на всяко KDE приложение през Help -> Switch Application Language..., така че изберете Американски Английски, като основен език. Рестартирайте приложението след промяната.
    • Уточнявайте се. Докладвайте само по един проблем на статия! Не смесвайте различни проблеми в една статия.
    • Изказвайте се ясно. Опишете стъпка по стъпка, как сте стигнали до проблема, за да ви разберем.
    • Включете снимки на екрана си, които да показват проблема! Можете да използвате KSnapshot. Също така, не качвайте снимките на външни сървъри, които може да бъдат спряни. Бутонът за прикачване е в края на доклада за проблеми.
    • Включете и описанието на проблема- това ни улеснява. Не качвайте описанието като текстов файл.
    • Разделяйте фактите от вашите предпочитания- описвайте какво се е случило. За проблем с дизайна, качете свое предложение.

    If you are testing trunk or the beta, if you kept your precedent settings, sometimes you will want to check with a new user.

    Също така, обърнете внимание, че форумите имат секции за Beta версии.

    A good guide to bug reporting can be found here.


    Как да отворим конзолата

    Обикновено, когато докладвате проблем в IRC или чрез мейлинг лист, тези, които ви помагат, ще искат от вас да отворите конзола. Конзолата е прозорец, в който, чрез текстови команди можете да управлявате компютъра си. Можете да отворите конзолата, като използвате ALT_F2. Ще се отвори прозорец за писане. Напишете следното, за да отворите конзолата:

    konsole

    Ако не работи, може да не сте я инсталирали. В този случай, използвайте ALT_F2 и въведете:

    xterm


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