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alt. definition: shell, terminal, console212:52, 26 September 2017
Merge to Glossary203:52, 24 December 2012
Template:Icon319:29, 6 March 2012

alt. definition: shell, terminal, console

In the linux world they can all look the same from the point of view of the user at the keyboard. The differences are in how they interact with each other.

The shell is the program which actually processes commands and returns output. Most shells also manage foreground and background processes, command history and command line editing. These features (and many more) are standard in bash, the most common shell in modern linux systems.

A terminal refers to a wrapper program which runs a shell. Decades ago, this was a physical device consisting of little more than a monitor and keyboard. As unix/linux systems added better multiprocessing and windowing systems, this terminal concept was abstracted into software. Now you have programs such as Gnome Terminal which launches a window in a Gnome windowing environment which will run a shell into which you can enter commands.

The console is a special sort of terminal. Historically, the console was a single keyboard and monitor plugged into a dedicated serial console port on a computer used for direct communication at a low level with the operating system. Modern linux systems provide virtual consoles. These are accessed through key combinations (e.g. Alt+F1 or Ctrl+Alt+F1; the function key numbers different consoles) which are handled at low levels of the linux operating system -- this means that there is no special service which needs to be installed and configured to run. Interacting with the console is also done using a shell program. (source: stack exchange)

This means that a console is a terminal originally, while shell is sth. like bash or dash, a software as opposed to the others being physical hardware originally.

Firef (talk)23:03, 25 September 2017

I agree. However, this page is intended to contain short, helpful hints to users who are unfamiliar with the terminology used in these pages. I don't think it will be a great service to them to go into the finer details. Besides, the way the terms are actually used here and else were does not always conform to these fine distinctions, so I would prefer not to make too much out of them.

Claus chr (talk)05:16, 26 September 2017

I'n fine with that, just wanted to offer extended info for those who look for it. thx.

Firef (talk)12:52, 26 September 2017
 
 

Should this page merged to Glossary or at least move to Category:Getting Started. Category:New Users only has this single page.

Fengchao (talk)11:48, 22 December 2012

This page aims to give brief summary descriptions of computing terms that may be unknown to some users. The Glossary gives somewhat longer descriptions of KDE technologies specifically. Thus the two pages serves different purposes, so I don't think they should be merged.

For the time being I'll just add the Getting Started category. We may want to reorganise our material for beginning users so the New Users category may still be useful.

Btw. any input on how to make a better experience for beginning users is most welcome.

Claus chr (talk)15:38, 22 December 2012

I am fine to keep them seperate. I am try to add cross link to each other.

As for better experience, I think we should improve the category system. It is the main utility for users to navigate through the Wiki.

  • Fix uncategoried pages and uncategoried categories.
  • Give well defined category name. For example, I do not think Category:New Users are good category name. Often we have hard time to decide whether a page should be put to it. Instead of naming by "Who should read this page", name by "What this category is" better. So we can use Category:Help.

I am currently reading Techbase and Userbase at the same time. I do think Userbase is much better than techbase, so Techbase needs more attention now.

Fengchao (talk)03:52, 24 December 2012
 
 

Template:Icon

I still can't get to grips with this. On this page I started from exactly how I understand the template page to say it is used. Not only does it not give the desired result, but it thinks the template is "Image". I tried some variations, but didn't get it right. Could you please both correct it on this page, but also see if you can improve the template description page? Thanks

annew15:25, 4 March 2012

It's done. Several things were wrong:

  1. You had written {{Image... instead of {{Icon...
  2. The uploaded image had not been renamed. It should be named Icon-... - I normally use the original icon-name for ..., but it could be anything. The Icon- prefix was to avoid name clashes.
  3. I usually use the 16 X 16 version of the icon, if possible, Technically, you should be able to use any size, but scaling often gives disagreable results with these small sizes.

I'll have a look at the template description and see if I can improve it.

Claus chr16:32, 5 March 2012

The template text is now much improved - in fact, it actually seems to be correct now Face-smile.png.

Claus chr16:43, 5 March 2012

Thanks. The {{Icon...}} bit seemed logical and I tried it but it didn't work. I didn't realise that the renaming problem existed, so that is probably the reason it failed. "When in doubt, retrieve the instructions from the waste-paper basket" so I did Face-smile.png They certainly needed some help Face-smile.png

annew19:29, 6 March 2012
 
 
 

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